This interview originally appeared on eInsiders.com waaaaaay back in 2000.  I just discovered that the piece has disappeared, and managed to Google cache it, so I’m moving it here. I’ve never(?) been interviewed for anyting I’ve done before, so it holds a special tiny place in my charcoal-like heart.  Plus, I suspect (awaiting confirmation as of 22 June 2009) that the interviewer is the same Jonathan Hickman who writes Secret Warriors, among other comics.

Either way, you should go check out Secret Warriors.  One of these Jonathan Hickmans writes a seriously cool Nick Fury.

by Jonathan W. Hickman

Bear with me through my editorial introduction, the actual interview follows:

There was a wedding to attend. We drove down after work on Friday evening. My wife, my mother, and my unofficially adopted sister (neat story, later), piled into a normal SUV (without Firestone tires, thank God). Birmingham, Alabama, our destination, is only about 2 hours from my home. Although I was outnumbered three to one, I overpowered the crowd with mindless entertainment trivia–try it, it works.

During the weekend, my family and I took in the wonderful Matisse exhibit on display in the city’s art museum and my wife and I would have ventured to a local theater for a midnight showing of “A Clockwork Orange,” but I was too inebriated following the wedding to make the trip (as I get older, I find it difficult to party into the wee hours, its a terrible shame). The advertisement for the Kubrick classic in the hip little nightlife newspaper said drinks were served before the show. It would have been interesting I have no doubt–visions of freaks filled my head, unnerving my wife and giving me something to write about, opportunity missed.

At any rate, in the same small weekly newspaper, there was tiny article about two local boys, Lance Lyle and Kenn McCracken, who had written a screenplay, “The Beauty of Distance,” that made the final cut with five other screenplays in the Sidewalk Motion Picture Festival. The top award will be selected from the five finalists during the Sidewalk Festival on October 6-8, 2000. Visit the webpage for the festival at http://www.sidewalkfest.com.

Before I left Birmingham, I carefully tore out the tiny article and preserved it in one the pockets of my hanging bag.

The Internet is the best research tool ever. The very next week after retrieving the article and hitting the online yellow pages, I was speaking with Lance Lyle and planning an interview.

I spoke with Lance and Kenn on the night of Wednesday, August 9, 2000, they sat before their computers after we finalized the IM installation and chatted with me about their possibly award winning, yet to be purchased and produced script “The Beauty of Distance.” Lance typed the words for Kenn, who, at times, seemed to have an aversion to typing and refused to provide me with a decent picture for posting. Note: the blurred image below is Kenn (a staff writer for zealot.com), who remains shrouded in mystery.

The weather in Birmingham was stormy. We almost did not do the IM session due to power interruptions, but in time, I convinced them, and the results are listed below.

einsiders: You guys are in Birmingham, Alabama.

Lance: Yes, Birmingham’s great, but I’m looking forward to moving to Los Angeles, which will be in February. It’s a little weird to be here, because when we wrote “The Beauty of Distance,” we never sat down together. We just sent the file back and forth.

einsiders: The internet has made us all a little impersonal hasn’t it? Before we get to the screenplay, a little background, who wants to start talking about themselves? Lance, how about you first? I have a picture of you at least. Tell us about your background in writing, I understand you are quite a prolific writer.

Lance: I’m 29, unmarried (for now). I work at a crappy restaurant, which I can’t wait to leave. I’ve written or co-written 8 screenplays and 16 TV teleplays, of which 4 are original pilots. I figure if I have a lot of stuff, then something will eventually break through.

einsiders: Where do you have your stuff, in a suitcase marked “Hollywood or Bust?

Lance: Not just yet, but give me time.

einsiders: Did you like the interview with the “PIG” guys?

Lance: Yes, I liked the fact they were able to work so cheaply, but still rack up a quality product.

einsiders: How cheap is too cheap? Ken, chime in where you feel it is necessary.

Kenn: There’s no such thing as too cheap. As long as the story is told right — believably — then the movie is good. Look at “Blair Witch,” “LA Story,” “Reservoir Dogs.” Everything in the movie (including effects, if that’s what the script calls for) should be as good as possible, though. My personal caveat, the best way to get something sold is to make it possible for cheap, especially, if you have no prior credits.

einsiders: You mentioned “LA Story” a personal favorite?

Kenn: One of my top 5, if not better — up there with “Grand Canyon” and “Swimming with Sharks,” “Princess Bride,” “Abyss,” “True Romance” — good stories at the heart of them all, with a message that isn’t in your face.

einsiders: Says a lot about your taste. Last month, a filmmaker from Chicago told me that “Grand Canyon” was a personal fav; this was surprising considering his young age (“Canyon” is kind of a boomer film). How about you Lance, personal favs?

Lance: “Godfather I and II,” “Citizen Kane,” “Vertigo,” “Searchers,” and “Braveheart.”

Kenn: I forgot “Braveheart” and “Rob Roy”… “The Matrix”… and “Sixth Sense” and “Fight Club.”

Lance: Ditto!

einsiders: You know, in the questionnaire for Federal jury trials, we ask what is your favorite movie? I’m not sure, I want Lance on my jury. Tough guy are you?

Kenn: Hah!

einsiders: Is that yes?

Lance: Only in my choice of movies.

Kenn: I’m the tough guy — Lance is the arrogant pretentious art boy.

Lance: He’s right.

einsiders: “Searchers,” is that the John Ford classic? Why that western?

Lance: I really don’t know — I just love it.

Kenn: Why ask why, just like it for the sake of liking it. Unless, of course, you are self-aware and such – like me, for instance.

einsiders: Good fodder, you have told us a lot about yourselves. You can really read a person by his or her taste in movies?

Kenn: Yes, but I think its a bad idea to try to read a person like that. For instance, I love bad action movies — but that doesn’t mean I’m a hillbilly. It just means I like to daydream about being in those situations… ditto Titanic.

Lance: Same here – I feel the same way.

einsiders: Tell me a little about the method of creation of “The Beauty of Distance?”

Kenn: It started as one final scene in my head, and over the course of two months and four different specific CDs, grew into a nearly full story. I took it to Lance because I had no knowledge of formatting, etc., and he and another buddy of ours had been working on teleplays, screenplays, etc. We took the script and worked on it for 3 weeks, emailing back and forth talking a tiny bit about it at work.

Lance: I helped flesh out the existing outline and some dialogue including the opening scene, which I had in my head and added on to the story to help foreshadow the movie. It was originally unconnected to the story, but it fit.

Kenn: It jumpstarted the whole process. Never once did we work together, though — it was all back and forth by email.

einsiders: Music was the inspiration, what kind of music? Listening to anything right now? I’m being bombarded by the wife’s 80s classics, presently the Bangles, before that Alan Parsons.

Kenn: Right now, I’m listening to Devin Townsend (www.hevydevy.com) — he’s a lot of the inspiration. My own (www.mp3.com/fps), Dream Theater, the soundtrack to “The Truman Show,” “Blade Runner,” and “The Rock;” Snake River Conspiracy, Jason Becker, Geoff Tyson / T-Ride, and VAST were mine.

einsiders: Lance any musical inspiration?

Lance: For “Beauty,” I just listened to the music Kenn compiled. It was very helpful in establishing the tone and the atmosphere we wanted in the script. On my own, I listen to Jazz and Classical mostly, Coltrane, Miles Davis, Mahler, Mozart, some Opera.

einsiders: Lance, are you a renaissance man?

Lance: I don’t think so. There’s not too much that I like to do.

Kenn: He’s a big glam boy.

Lance: He’s lying – this time.

einsiders: Tell me about the email thing, would you do it again?

Lance: We both have Final Draft software, so it was as easy as sending a Word file to you by email.

Kenn: We’d do it again, and still may, but right now, we have too many other projects going.

einsiders: Tell me about Final Draft software.

Lance: It’s a scriptwriting software that allow you to format by using the tab and return keys. If you write a character name, then hit enter, it will automatically set you up for dialogue. It’s incredibly user friendly.

Kenn: So friendly, I can use it.

Lance: They should really pay us for that endorsement.

einsiders: Lets set up a button and advertise, really, have you tried other products, is this one good?

Lance: No. This was the best one, so I never tried, say, Scriptthing, or any other one.

einsiders: We don’t get a lot of information from the excerpt from “Beauty,” tell us more.

Lance: The man, Michael, has just been married in the opening scene, and at the end of that scene, his wife is dead. It may not be perfectly clear that that happened, but the next five pages make it clear.

Kenn: The basic story is that there is a serial killer on the loose, and Michael and his partner (detectives) are on the case. The thing is, it’s a bit personal, because it appears that his wife was the first victim, and his current fiancée (two years later) is slated to be the latest. Its not action, though, or mystery — it more character development and examination. Call it “Seven” meets “Sixth Sense.”

einsiders: Not formula, eh?

Kenn: Not at all.

Lance: We scrupulously avoid formula and cliche.

Kenn: I’m honestly not conscious of that sort of thing — I just get a story in my head and have to tell it.

Lance: I don’t ever change what I do, but if a scene reminds me of something I’ve seen, I’ll try to find a way around it.

einsiders: There was a sense of foreboding in the scene you provided us for posting. It seems there is a thing for the supernatural at the local movie house these days, have you seen that Kevin Bacon film that came out shortly after “The Sixth Sense?”

Kenn: Loved it. In fact, I envision Kevin Bacon as the co-lead male in “Beauty.”

einsiders: Is it bad to always avoid the familiar in your writing?

Lance: Yes, absolutely.

Kenn: I don’t necessarily think so — again, it goes back to the story that wants to be told. Although cliche is a big no no, at least in my stories. I’ve seen plenty of cliched films that I liked (“Titanic” springs to mind).

einsiders: What familiar elements did you keep in “Beauty?” I know we haven’t read it, but the serial killer thing stayed, anything else?

Lance: The set up of the search for the killer, with various clues and red herrings.

Kenn: The tautness leading up to the final scene, but I don’t see any of that as cliche, except from the standpoint of every story has already been told maybe thousands of times — the magic is in the details, and how you get from point a to point b.

einsiders: What kind of research did you do for the film, interview any serial killers?

Kenn: Actually my degree is in criminal psychology. Not much research, just calling on a simple level of descriptiveness and telling a story that everyone can understand without a dictionary.

Lance: No research really, we kept it simple by leaving the tech and the police jargon out. That was easy, though, because it wasn’t the focus of the story.

einsiders: But audiences are getting more sophisticated these days, don’t you think?

Kenn: More sophisticated, but that doesn’t mean that a human interest story exploring character won’t make it — look back at “Stir of echoes,” The Sixth Sense,” “American Beauty” (!!!), “What Lies Beneath.” No research necessary or needed.

einsiders: Really, “What Lies Beneath” with “The Sixth Sense,” did you mean that? Tell us about the Sidewalk Moving Picture Festival, first time’s the charm or what?

Lance: “What Lies,” I haven’t seen it.

einsiders: “What Lies” was a “Crypt” expanded.

Lance: The Sidewalk Festival is in it’s second year. It’s going to take place Oct. 6-8. It’s still pretty small, but we’re doing a script pitching seminar, so maybe we can make contact with some agents and producers. We’re one of five finalists, in the Best Screenplay category. So we’re keeping our fingers crossed. I know I’ll be bringing a pile of other scripts and teleplays to the seminar!

einsiders: Have you read any of the other finalists’ scripts?

Lance: No, but I’d love to. Maybe we’ll be able to the week of the festival.

einsiders: Are they keeping them under wraps?

Lance: I haven’t had any contact with the festival people, so I don’t know.

einsiders: You mentioned a new project, tell us about that one.

Lance: I have five other scripts that are finished and in good enough shape to send out. I sent two others, “The Dream City,” and “The Blue Train” to Slamdance and the Austin Film Festival, but haven’t heard back from them yet. “Dream,” I like to call a Fantasy/Nightmare/Horror script, and “Train” is a low-budget relationship movie laced with promiscuity and coke addicts. You know, like all comedies.

Kenn: I’m currently working on a David Lynchian psychodrama about the search for art — the overcoming of writer’s block, so to speak, a comedy that may actually get developed into a TV show at my company (www.zealot.com) with some luck about. Well, a normal person put into an abnormal situation, lets say. And a horror movie — sort of a classic ghost story with a twist… another movie that focuses on character but has a lot of good fright elements. I also have a short film (10 minutes) that I’m trying to get filmed — know any good director’s that want to make a cheap short film, character driven?

einsiders: You guys work all time, or what? I’d love to talk to Kenn about zealot.com, but time is short, where else can we read stuff by either of you on the net?

Kenn: I’m on zealot everyday, and pseudonymously on www.ant.com– but you’ll have a hard time guessing what’s mine and what’s not (it’s video game reviews and such). My music is available at www.mp3.com/fps; I’m trying to find the time to get my website back up at www.abstractvisionsound.com, but where’s the time? Give me more hours in the day, please.

Lance: Nothing on the net just yet, but people can contact me if they’re interested in seeing anything.

einsiders: Lance, you mentioned something about moving to LA, the last two guys I interviewed had not made the jump, why you and when?

Lance: The only thing that would keep me here is getting “The Beauty of Distance” made locally by Hunter Films or someone else. Otherwise, I just have to be there — you can’t do it long distance. To get started, you have to be there — to meet with people and such.

Kenn: I should mention Alan Hunter of Hunter Films – he was instrumental in convincing us to submit the script to the festival. You may know him from his MTV days — an incredibly nice guy with a great community arts spirit.

Lance: He should pay us for that.

Kenn: Or at least make our movie…

einsiders: Another button. Tell us about the Birmingham scene, music, film, acting, theater and such.

Kenn: It’s strange – my wife is in the theater, off and on, and I just left a band called Full Moon Blanket for time reasons. My best friend is in Lunasect, and they’re well-known nationally on the electronic/techno/triphop circuit. We’re still trying too hard to play catch-up with Atlanta on many levels, but there’s a lot of good stuff going on here — mostly on a local level. My friend David Parker, now in Baltimore, is the person that I wrote the lead part for — but he left, because five years ago, there was no hope for breaking on to the national level. Now I think we’re seeing the seeds of greatness rise to the surface in this town.

Lance: My girlfriend is about to start working for the Birmingham Children’s Theater in Sleepy Hollow.

einsiders: Kenn, in Birmingham for the long haul?

Kenn: For the time being — my wife and I are both pursuing more college — she for a masters in english and me a third BS in computer science. Our families are here, and I’m content, for the moment. Good job, good friends, and plenty to do. The weather sucks, though.

Lance: No shit, too damned hot!

einsiders: A film I reviewed a couple of months ago as a Video Risk called “Knight Moves” was about a twisted serial killer of sorts. Check it out if you haven’t seen it. Give us some Video Risks to munch on as we stroll through the local video supermarket. You know, odd unheard of jewels you recommend. “The Matrix” doesn’t count.

Kenn: “LA Story,” must see for eveyone… “Deep Cover”…. anything by David Lynch… “The Man Who Fell To Earth”… “Love and a .45″… “Playing by Heart” (beautiful love stories)… I’m sure there’s others from me, but I can’t think of them.

einsiders: Lance, still thinking?

Lance: Anything by Robert Altman, anything by Woody Allen (the greatest living American screenwriter). Anything by Preston Sturges, a master of comedy, anything by Billy Wilder, Terrence Malik. I like foreign films Fellini, Bergman (check out his Cries and Whispers), Truffaut, Bunuel, Almodovar. Kurosawa. Anything by these guys.

Kenn: Lance doesn’t like a whole lot — pretty narrow tastes, eh?

einsiders: How broad is the ocean?

einsiders: Lance, any words to Woody if he is reading with a sax (I think that is his instrument of choice) in one hand and mouse in the other?

Lance: Woody plays the clarinet, but he also plays sax (actually, that’s my instrument of choice). I’d just say, Woody, you may be a pervert, but you make great movies.

Maybe Woody isn’t one of our faithful readers. We will follow the Sidewalk results and speak with Kenn and Lance after the winners are announced. Thanks guys for the chat.

Jonathan W. Hickman